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Wednesday, May 02, 2012

Jacob's Dream the ladder & more

Torah Study 4/28

28:12 –וַיַּחֲלֹם, and he dreamed; role of dreams in bible:

Dreams in the bible usually mean prophecy, tell the future.

Previously, Avimelech had a dream about Sarah [Genesis 20:3].

Joseph was the quintessential dream interpreter. But we shouldn’t

take such interpretations seriously. See Deuteronomy 13:2-4 on false

gods and false prophets:

2. If there will arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of a dream,

and he gives you a sign or a wonder,

3. and the sign or the wonder of which he spoke to you happens, [and

he] says, "Let us go after other gods which you have not known, and

let us worship them,"

4. you shall not heed the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of a

dream; for the Lord, your God, is testing you, to know whether you

really love the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your

soul.

Talmud Brachot 55a on signs in dreams seems quite Freudian [also

Jungian?]. Good dreams = prophecy; bad dream are to be ignored.

Other examples: dreams follow the mouth, i.e., favorable

interpretations can be bought for a price; no payment – bad

interpretation.

[Brachot 55a] There were twenty-four interpreters of dreams in

Jerusalem. Once I dreamt a dream and I went round to all of them and

they all gave different interpretations, and all were fulfilled, thus

confirming that which is said: All dreams follow the mouth.[i.e., are

subject to interpretation] Is the statement that all dreams follow

the mouth Scriptural? Yes, as stated by R. Eleazar. For R. Eleazar

said: Whence do we know that all dreams follow the mouth? Because it

says, and it came to pass, as he interpreted to us, so it was [Genesis

41:13]. Raba said: This is only if the interpretation corresponds to

the content of the dream: for it says, to each man according to his

dream he did interpret.[ Genesis 41:12] When the chief baker saw that

the interpretation was good [Genesis 40:16] How did he know this? R.

Eleazar says: This tells us that each of them was shown his own dream

and the interpretation of the other one's dream. [All of the Genesis

citations are when Joseph was interpreting dreams]

Dreams are 1/60th of prophecy, but some are nonsense.

Modern psychological interpretation of dreams – Jung story on how

dreams can come true… [Check the podcast for details].

Some congregants told of weird dreams about future, prophetic events

(such as births and deaths).

Others called it “mishegas,” voodoo, or magic.

Jacob’s dream 28:12-15 – a defining moment in his life

It’s at night – talking to God at night is the basis of Ma’ariv prayer

סֻלָּם, ramp or ladder, word appears nowhere else in bible – seems

to connect earth to heaven.

Angels going up and down on “it”, not down and up.

Rashi - Ascending first and afterwards descending. The angels who

escorted him in the [Holy] Land do not go outside the Land, and they

ascended to heaven, and the angels of outside the Holy Land descended

to escort him [From Genesis Rabbah 68:12].

Also could be up and down on “him, meaning angels are taunting Jacob

Prophecy about history – angels are princes of the nations.

Jacob did not ascend; was this prophecy or his choice?

28:13 Abraham, your father, is incorrect; but Jacob is the spiritual

heir of Abraham. Again, Isaac gets the short shrift (the poor schlub;

no, wait, that was Esau)

28:15, God speaking to Jacob -- similar to God-Abraham and God-Isaac

conversations. But to Jacob conversation is added language on God

protecting him and being with him.

28:14 - God’s promise to Abraham was based on his people being

numerous as the stars in the sky; Jacob –descendants will be like dust

of the earth. He hears this as he is lying down horizontally, in

contrast to the vertical ladder.

Jacob has left his family – he needs God’s special message now. Did

Jacob hear this before?

28:16 – Jacob’s response suggests that he doesn’t understand the

covenant. Is this a metaphor for our own understanding (or lack

thereof) of God?


notes from Howard Selznick (thanks)

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